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	<title>Comments on: My Theory of Human Evolution (diet soda edition)</title>
	<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/</link>
	<description>Self-Experimentation, Scientific Method, the Shangri-La Diet, etc.</description>
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		<title>by: glucoholic</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-280636</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I totally agree!  I've done the same test myself.  I think Hansen's is fine, but Jones is better.  If you like it, I recommend you give the &lt;a href="http://www.glucoholic.com/2008/04/19/jones-sugar-free-root-beer" rel="nofollow"&gt;Root Beer&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.glucoholic.com/2009/01/15/jones-sugar-free-green-apple-soda" rel="nofollow"&gt;Green Apple&lt;/a&gt; flavors a try as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree!  I&#8217;ve done the same test myself.  I think Hansen&#8217;s is fine, but Jones is better.  If you like it, I recommend you give the <a href="http://www.glucoholic.com/2008/04/19/jones-sugar-free-root-beer" rel="nofollow">Root Beer</a> and <a href="http://www.glucoholic.com/2009/01/15/jones-sugar-free-green-apple-soda" rel="nofollow">Green Apple</a> flavors a try as well.
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		<title>by: seth</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26914</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26914</guid>
					<description>yes, the containers matched the photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, the containers matched the photos.
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		<title>by: J. Weighty</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26913</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 02:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26913</guid>
					<description>Did the actual containers match the photos? In other words, was the Hansen's in a can, and the Jones in a bottle? That alone may account for the superior taste of the Jones. I drink very little soda, but I know bottled beer tastes better than canned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the actual containers match the photos? In other words, was the Hansen&#8217;s in a can, and the Jones in a bottle? That alone may account for the superior taste of the Jones. I drink very little soda, but I know bottled beer tastes better than canned.
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		<title>by: Pearl</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26502</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26502</guid>
					<description>In Japan there are few picky eaters and kids are taught from elementary school to eat everything without picking favorites or avoiding certain foods, big posters and motivational words and everything.

I think that it's pretty normal for kids not to like certain foods, but perhaps it is because American parents are allowing the kids to be picky eaters.  I think it takes everyone a certain number of times to eat a food they hate before they recognize it as palatable. 

My mom was almost too militant about making me eat everything, and the number of parents I've met who say "Tommy won't eat this and this" really strikes me as odd.  Sometimes I get the impression US kids are being placated with food, and that it is taught to be a reward and a recreation, rather than fuel for them to grow with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Japan there are few picky eaters and kids are taught from elementary school to eat everything without picking favorites or avoiding certain foods, big posters and motivational words and everything.</p>
<p>I think that it&#8217;s pretty normal for kids not to like certain foods, but perhaps it is because American parents are allowing the kids to be picky eaters.  I think it takes everyone a certain number of times to eat a food they hate before they recognize it as palatable. </p>
<p>My mom was almost too militant about making me eat everything, and the number of parents I&#8217;ve met who say &#8220;Tommy won&#8217;t eat this and this&#8221; really strikes me as odd.  Sometimes I get the impression US kids are being placated with food, and that it is taught to be a reward and a recreation, rather than fuel for them to grow with.
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		<title>by: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26314</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It always surprises me how artificial-tasting the "natural" Hansen's diet sodas are.

But I should point out that Jones diet black cherry contains sodium benzoate, as do virtually all mainstream soda brands. Hansen's is one of the few that don't. If you believe the recent claim that this chemical could result in DNA damage, that might be an issue.

It may be that you'd have to drink 80 gallons of soda a day to cause any real harm, but I figure why take the chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always surprises me how artificial-tasting the &#8220;natural&#8221; Hansen&#8217;s diet sodas are.</p>
<p>But I should point out that Jones diet black cherry contains sodium benzoate, as do virtually all mainstream soda brands. Hansen&#8217;s is one of the few that don&#8217;t. If you believe the recent claim that this chemical could result in DNA damage, that might be an issue.</p>
<p>It may be that you&#8217;d have to drink 80 gallons of soda a day to cause any real harm, but I figure why take the chance?
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		<title>by: seth</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26249</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Salt makes food taste better for reasons that have nothing to do with flavor-calorie associations. It is an immediate unlearned effect.

I think you're right about slowly learning a flavor-calorie association with your juice -- in fact that might be a good way to study that learning. 

yeah, we probably like the flavor of butter partly because it is paired with calories. There is also an unlearned preference for the texture of fat; and fat also intensifies other flavors because it dissolves fat-soluble flavor molecules, making them more mobile and detectable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salt makes food taste better for reasons that have nothing to do with flavor-calorie associations. It is an immediate unlearned effect.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right about slowly learning a flavor-calorie association with your juice &#8212; in fact that might be a good way to study that learning. </p>
<p>yeah, we probably like the flavor of butter partly because it is paired with calories. There is also an unlearned preference for the texture of fat; and fat also intensifies other flavors because it dissolves fat-soluble flavor molecules, making them more mobile and detectable.
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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26235</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I like Aaron's suggestion of using ELOO to re-engineer the palatability of certain foods. I'm thinking about kids being picky eaters. 

We're familiar with the generalization that French kids have a more varied palate than, say, American kids: "French kids like to eat vegetables. American kids hate to eat vegetables."  Could this be explained by flavor-calorie association? 

If a vegetable is characteristically cooked with a significant amount of butter (I am generalizing about French cooking that no French cook would serve a plain steamed or blanched vegetable like I do), then the particular taste of that vegetable should quickly become  pleasing due to the calorie association. (Curiously, the flavor of butter itself is pleasing WITH foods, though nobody eats it by the spoonful. Maybe butter flavor just signals 'this is calorie-laden food'.) 

After gaining a certain amount of experience eating super-high-calorie broccoli, won't the specific flavor of plain broccoli become pleasing in a way that no amount of plain-broccoli-eating would ever produce on its own?

This question affects me personally: I've been trying to take daily doses of flaxseed oil for the omega-3 benefit. From the start, I have found the taste of pure flaxseed oil to be nauseatingly vile. Theoretically, though, if I persist, the caloric punch of the oil will eventually force me to like its taste. As an intermediary step, I have taken to drinking it mixed with a very flavorful liquid like lemonade or blueberry juice, sometimes holding my nose, sometimes not. Recently I have actually noticed the thought, "This juice has a pleasant, warm, nutty taste to it." I think this is the first stirring of liking a flavor that was initially revolting.

Another question: Can flavor-calorie association explain why salt makes food more toothsome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Aaron&#8217;s suggestion of using ELOO to re-engineer the palatability of certain foods. I&#8217;m thinking about kids being picky eaters. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re familiar with the generalization that French kids have a more varied palate than, say, American kids: &#8220;French kids like to eat vegetables. American kids hate to eat vegetables.&#8221;  Could this be explained by flavor-calorie association? </p>
<p>If a vegetable is characteristically cooked with a significant amount of butter (I am generalizing about French cooking that no French cook would serve a plain steamed or blanched vegetable like I do), then the particular taste of that vegetable should quickly become  pleasing due to the calorie association. (Curiously, the flavor of butter itself is pleasing WITH foods, though nobody eats it by the spoonful. Maybe butter flavor just signals &#8216;this is calorie-laden food&#8217;.) </p>
<p>After gaining a certain amount of experience eating super-high-calorie broccoli, won&#8217;t the specific flavor of plain broccoli become pleasing in a way that no amount of plain-broccoli-eating would ever produce on its own?</p>
<p>This question affects me personally: I&#8217;ve been trying to take daily doses of flaxseed oil for the omega-3 benefit. From the start, I have found the taste of pure flaxseed oil to be nauseatingly vile. Theoretically, though, if I persist, the caloric punch of the oil will eventually force me to like its taste. As an intermediary step, I have taken to drinking it mixed with a very flavorful liquid like lemonade or blueberry juice, sometimes holding my nose, sometimes not. Recently I have actually noticed the thought, &#8220;This juice has a pleasant, warm, nutty taste to it.&#8221; I think this is the first stirring of liking a flavor that was initially revolting.</p>
<p>Another question: Can flavor-calorie association explain why salt makes food more toothsome?
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		<title>by: seth</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26216</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmm, well I better try Strawberry Kiwi. Your ELOO idea is definitely worth trying. And if you do try it please let me know what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, well I better try Strawberry Kiwi. Your ELOO idea is definitely worth trying. And if you do try it please let me know what happens.
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		<title>by: Aaron Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26199</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&#62; My guess is that you didn’t like it so much the first time
&#62; you tasted it. When I hear “nectar of the gods” I think
&#62; “strong flavor-calorie association”.

Actually, I went crazy about it on my first can.  (I've
gotten a bit less enthusiastic as the newness has worn off.)
I remember a similar flavor button being pushed by raspberry
(or maybe strawberry) gum of a particular brand when I was a
teenager, but again that happened on my first taste.

I am, by the way, a successful SLD user.  (Thanks for it!)
An idea I've played with but never gotten around to trying
is drinking ELOO with a food that I don't like so that I can
develop a taste for that food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; My guess is that you didn’t like it so much the first time<br />
&gt; you tasted it. When I hear “nectar of the gods” I think<br />
&gt; “strong flavor-calorie association”.</p>
<p>Actually, I went crazy about it on my first can.  (I&#8217;ve<br />
gotten a bit less enthusiastic as the newness has worn off.)<br />
I remember a similar flavor button being pushed by raspberry<br />
(or maybe strawberry) gum of a particular brand when I was a<br />
teenager, but again that happened on my first taste.</p>
<p>I am, by the way, a successful SLD user.  (Thanks for it!)<br />
An idea I&#8217;ve played with but never gotten around to trying<br />
is drinking ELOO with a food that I don&#8217;t like so that I can<br />
develop a taste for that food.
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		<title>by: seth</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2007/07/10/my-theory-of-human-evolution-diet-soda-edition/#comment-26180</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My guess is that you didn't like it so much the first time you tasted it. When I hear "nectar of the gods" I think "strong flavor-calorie association".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that you didn&#8217;t like it so much the first time you tasted it. When I hear &#8220;nectar of the gods&#8221; I think &#8220;strong flavor-calorie association&#8221;.
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